2012 Nascar Pool Salaries : Drivers

We’ve put together the default driver groups and salaries for the upcoming 2012 NASCAR season. The following are what we are using for Salary Cap leagues here on Nascar Pools Online. There may be some additions over the next week or two as more announcements are made.

We have brought the salaries down again this year to help put together more competitive teams.  The uncertain economic times and reduced sponsorship available for the fringe teams had made it quite difficult to select a decent team under the previous salary scale.

Driver Salaries

Driver Salary Driver Salary
C. Edwards $190 J. Montoya $95
T. Stewart $190 J. Logano $80
K. Harvick $180 R. Smith $75
J. Johnson $175 D. Ragan $70
M. Kenseth $175 J. McMurray $65
J. Gordon $165 B. Labonte $60
Brad Keselowski $165 D. Reutimann $60
D. Earnhardt Jr $160 D. Gilliland $55
D. Hamlin $155 M. Martin $50
R. Newman $145 C. Mears $50
Ky. Busch $140 R. Gordon $40
C. Bowyer $135 D. Blaney $40
K. Kahne $135 A. Almirola $35
G. Biffle $130 T. Kvapil $30
Ku. Busch $130 M. McDowell $30
AJ. Allmendinger $125 J. Nemechek $30
P. Menard $120 R. Richardson Jr $30
M. Ambrose $110 D. Stremme $30
M. Truex Jr $110 J. Wise $30
J. Burton $100 J. Yeley $30

We’ve added a number of drivers expected to run part time schedules on the site as well.  Most are listed for $25.

2012 Nascar Pool Groups : Drivers

The 2012 season is only a month away, and we’ve put together our groups and boxes for the upcoming season. Similar to last year, it has been tough figuring out the last few groups as there are still a number of rides up in the air. We wont be posting the box groups by car, but they’ll follow these quite closely. The salaries for this season will also be posted shortly.

If you’re doing a box style league for this season, we think you should consider doing the Standard Points option, dropping your lowest driver for each race.

Box Style Leagues

Group 1 C. Edwards K. Harvick M. Kenseth Brad Keselowski T. Stewart
Group 2 D. Earnhardt Jr J. Gordon D. Hamlin J. Johnson R. Newman
Group 3 A. Allmendinger C. Bowyer Ku. Busch Ky. Busch K. Kahne
Group 4 M. Ambrose G. Biffle J. Burton P. Menard M. Truex Jr
Group 5 J. Logano M. Martin J. McMurray J. Montoya D. Ragan
Group 6 A. Almirola D. Gilliland B. Labonte D. Reutimann R. Smith
Group 7 D. Blaney R. Gordon M. McDowell C. Mears J. Yeley
Group 8 T. Bayne J. Nemechek R. Stenhouse Jr R. Richardson Jr J. Wise

Pick’em Style Leagues

Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5
D. Earnhardt Jr A. Allmendinger M. Ambrose D. Blaney 20 Other Drivers
C. Edwards G. Biffle J. Burton D. Gilliland
J. Gordon C. Bowyer J. Logano B. Labonte
K. Harvick Ku. Busch M. Martin J. McMurray
J. Johnson Ky. Busch P. Mendar C. Mears
M. Kenseth D. Hamlin J. Montoya D. Reutimann
Brad Keselowski K. Kahne D. Ragan R. Smith
T. Stewart R. Newman M. Truex Jr J. Yeley

The final group in this one will be a selection of 20 – 24 of the remaining drivers, including the rest of the full-time teams, some part timers, and a few road course specialists.

State of the Site : 2011

Now that the anticipation and excitement of Daytona is over, and most leagues are all set up, we figured now would be a good time to take a look at where the site is now, compared to the last couple seasons. 

The site has grown a great deal from the first version in 2008.  Back then, there was pretty much only one league set-up, with a single league ID and an admin password and a poolie password, so everyone logged in the same way.  There were no personal online selections, no message boards and only 3 scoring methods.  That season, we had 7 leagues, with about 250 total teams.

In 2009, we made serious changes to the site, adding personal accounts, several default pool set-ups, and created 2 or 3 other custom set-ups, along with another handful of scoring options.  With the personal accounts came the ability for online selections, the message boards, and one login to access all of your leagues (for those that are in multiple leagues on the site). 

2010 saw a re-branding of the site, a couple more options for pools, and a few more scoring options, including the ability to drop a score each week.  We also added a number of different stat displays for leagues, and made some changes to the admin side, to allow us to update a single league when necessary, instead of requiring a full site update every time a change is made.

This year, we’ve had to revamp the main scoring methods, as NASCAR updated their points structure.  Along with that we’ve had to update a number of stats/standings pages, and there’s now a standings page showing all team selections for non-pickem style leagues.  On top of that, we’ve added a couple more custom scoring options.  We’ve also modified all of the site emails to send both a plain text and html version.  We’re still working towards making the payment process as automated as possible, and we’re hoping some changes coming from PayPal will make this possible.  A couple ‘user manuals’ are already in the works, one for league commissioners, and one for poolies. 

Statistically, we’ve seen solid growth in our numbers season to season, but the most exciting part is seeing the growth of some of the leagues that have been with us since those first couple seasons.  Here’s a breakdown of some of the growth we’ve seen. The 2011 stats are at the time of posting and may change in the next week or two.

Season   Leagues   Teams   75+   Most
2008   7   ~250   1   ~90
2009   22   892   3   189
2010   41   1488   4   175
2011   ~50   > 2000   8   236

In the 4 seasons we’ve been online, we’ve grown considerably, and with that there have been some growing pains.  We thank you for being patient with us, when we haven’t been able to implement change as fast as we would have liked.  We hope we’ve made the lives of those that run NASCAR pools a little easier, and look forward to doing so in the future. We’re always trying to improve the service we provide, and it’s often through your comments and feedback that features are added or improved.  Feel free to post a comment, or use the contact form to send us a message if you have any suggestions.

2011 Nascar Pool Salaries : Drivers

We’ve started putting together the default driver groups and salaries for the upcoming season. The following are what we have so far. There may be some additions over the next week or so as announcements are made.

Driver Salaries

Driver Salary Driver Salary
J. Johnson $200 D. Earnhardt Jr $100
D. Hamlin $195 M. Truex Jr $100
K. Harvick $190 B. Vickers $95
C. Edwards $180 P. Menard $90
M. Kenseth $180 D. Ragan $90
G. Biffle $175 Brad Keselowski $85
T. Stewart $170 M. Ambrose $85
Ky. Busch $170 R. Smith $75
J. Gordon $165 B. Labonte $60
C. Bowyer $160 D. Gilliland $50
Ku. Busch $155 R. Gordon $50
J. Burton $150 T. Kvapil $50
M. Martin $145 C. Mears $40
J. McMurray $140 J. Yeley $40
R. Newman $140 J. Nemechek $35
J. Logano $135 D. Blaney $35
J. Montoya $130 M. Bliss $30
D. Reutimann $120 Brian Keselowski $30
AJ. Allmendinger $120 B. Elliott $30
K. Kahne $110 J. Allgaier $30

If there is someone running at least a part time schedule that you think should be added, send us a message.

2011 Nascar Pool Groups : Drivers

We’ve put together our groups and boxes for the upcoming season. It has been alot more difficult this season, as there are still a good number of teams with alot of details up in the air. We wont be posting the box groups by car, but they’ll follow these quite closely. The salaries will also be posted shortly.

Box Style Leagues

Group 1 C. Edwards D. Hamlin K. Harvick J. Johnson M. Kenseth
Group 2 G. Biffle C. Bowyer Ky. Busch J. Gordon T. Stewart
Group 3 J. Burton Ku. Busch M. Martin J. McMurray R. Newman
Group 4 A. Allmendinger K. Kahne J. Logano J. Montoya D. Reutimann
Group 5 D. Earnhardt Jr Brad Keselowski D. Ragan M. Truex Jr B. Vickers
Group 6 M. Ambrose B. Labonte T. Kvapil P. Menard R. Smith
Group 7 D. Gilliland R. Gordon J. Nemechek C. Mears J. Yeley
Group 8 T. Bayne D. Blaney B. Elliott Brian Keselowski S. Riggs

Pick’em Style Leagues

Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5
G. Biffle C. Bowyer A. Allmendinger M. Ambrose 20 Other Drivers
Ky. Busch J. Burton D. Earnhardt Jr D. Gilliland
C. Edwards Ku. Busch K. Kahne C. Mears
D. Hamlin J. Gordon J. Montoya Brad Keselowski
K. Harvick J. Logano D. Ragan B. Labonte
J. Johnson M. Martin D. Reutimann P. Menard
M. Kenseth J. McMurray M. Truex Jr R. Smith
T. Stewart R. Newman B. Vickers J. Yeley

The final group in this one will be a selection of 20 – 24 of the remaining drivers, including the rest of the full-time teams, some part timers, and a few road course specialists.

Who’s Going to Make the Chase – Update

Another four races are in the books and it’s time for a little review and update on my previous predictions.  Some things played out as expected, and of course others didn’t.  The top 12 after Richmond could very well be the same as the top 12 currently, but I’m not ruling out a couple drivers from making a jump just yet.

Count Them In

I lumped Kevin Harvick, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and Kurt Busch all into the ’locked in’ group and I don’t think that has changed.  They occupy 4 of the top 5 spots and each have a 60+ point per race cushion.  Jimmie has had an uncharacteristic bad spell, and has seemed to find trouble wherever trouble could be found.  Can any of it be attributed to being a new parent, and a possible lack of focus for the time being?  I’m sure the rest of the Chase competitors hope so.  While we’re at it, we might as well add Jeff Burton to the locked in category.  He’s been money since my last post and went in the complete opposite direction I was expecting. 

Some Numbers

Note: Points cutoff is relative to the 12th position.  Recent Avg is over the past 5 races.  Tracks Avg is the Average finish (not including 2010) at the remaining 4 tracks (all races).

Driver Points Cutoff Recent Avg Tracks Avg
Denny Hamlin +231 113.6 12.53
Kyle Busch +225 107.6 12.43
Tony Stewart +224 141.4 10.55
Carl Edwards +180 160.2 13.4
Matt Kenseth +165 120.4 13.05
Greg Biffle +102 123.4 12.73
Mark Martin 0 118.8 16.35
Clint Bowyer -10 125.4 16.38
Ryan Newman -83 110.6 17.98
Dale Earnhardt Jr -121 100.6 11.65
Kasey Kahne -133 132.4 18.23
David Reutimann -166 121.0 22.28

Tony Stewart

Tony is in a great spot and has had a solid run of good finishes (4 straight top 10s).  He also has the best stats of the remaining drivers at the next four tracks.  Lock him in! 

Denny Hamlin

Denny has cooled of late after winning 5 of 10 races between March and June.  His best finish in the past few races was at a traditionally weak track for him in Chicago.  He still has a pretty large cushion and the remaining tracks he’s been decent at, with a favourite of his to end the regular season (Richmond).  It’ll be some sort of travesty for him not to make it at this point.

Kyle Busch

The younger Busch brother has put up 2 months of ‘meh’.  Since the first Michigan race, which saw an end to an 8 race streak of top 10′s, he’s only managed 2 finishes of 10th or better, and only led during 2 of those races.  Very uncharacteristic of a guy that seemed to always be up near the front, gunning for it.  Maybe they’ve been pacing themselves and trying some things out prior to the Chase, since they were in a pretty comfortable spot.  Either way, Kyle is pretty safely in the top 12.

Matt Kenseth

It’s been typical Matt Kenseth lately, with a heap of consistent finishes.  I’m sure he’d like to be consistently finishing somewhere in the 5-10 range instead of 12-18, but that will still get him into the Chase.  The Roush Fords have stepped up their game of late, and that’s a good sign heading into the playoff.

Jeff Burton

Jeff Burton has torn it up since I last posted, at tracks that he’s not usually that strong at.  He’s been second to only Carl Edwards over the past 5 races.  As previously mentioned, he’s now included in the locked in group.

Greg Biffle/Carl Edwards

Greg Biffle has been up and down the past 5 races, but he does have that all important 1st with for Roush Fenway this season.  He’s still in danger of falling out, but the next 4 tracks are ones he does well at.  If Biffle can nail down a typical solid Roush performance at Michigan, it would go a long way to putting him in the post-season.  Carl Edwards has been on a tear.  His last 5 races have all been top 7 finishes, and he’s averaged nearly 15 points per race better than anyone in the field over that span.  He’ll lock himself in with what I expect will be another top 5 this weekend at Brooklyn.

Dale Earnhardt Jr

I said Dale Earnhardt Jr would have to greatly improve his performance on the Indy to Watkins Glen stretch to be a factor in the Championship standings. He didn’t.  He finished each of the past 4 races between 23rd-27th.  I’m still not writing him off, as he has the second best stats of any driver over the next 4 tracks.  He just has a big hill to climb.

Outside Looking In

Burton going on a tear pretty much means there’s only really 1 or 2 spots still up for grabs, depending on how you look at things.  Earnhardt Jr. sits on the outside looking in and as expected Mark Martin has worked his way into the top 12.  Bowyer is not far behind, and I don’t think I can completely write him off with how well the Childress teams are running.  Kasey Kahne has continued to run well (6th best over last 5 races), but he may have been too far back to begin with.  It’ll take a monumental collapse by a number of drivers or a miraculous stretch by himself to make it.  Michigan, Bristol, Atlanta and Richmond haven’t exactly been kind to Kasey.  McMurray has moved himself up the charts with a big win at Indy and other solid finishes, but again, he’s struggled at the upcoming tracks.

So that leaves my expected Chase drivers currently looking like this:  Harvick, Gordon, Johnson, Busch x2, Hamlin, Kenseth, Stewart, Biffle, Edwards, Martin, Burton. (changes in bold)

Who’s Going To Make the 2010 Chase?

Over the past few weeks, the ‘Chase for the Championship’ has been mentioned more and more on the NASCAR race broadcasts. With the regular season close to three quarters finished, it’s a good time to take a look at who the 12 contenders for the title may be. We’ll take a look at the current standings, recent performance and also driver history at the remaining 8 tracks.

Count Them In

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Kevin Harvick, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and Kurt Busch are locked in. All 4 drivers currently have at least 300 points on 13th place, and barring a major catastrophe will be competing for the 2010 crown. I’m also going to eliminate everyone from Jamie McMurray on down as they’re all at least 200 points south of the 12th place cutoff, and have too many drivers to jump. That leaves us with 14 drivers vying for the remaining 8 spots.

Some Numbers

Note: Points cutoff is relative to the 12th position.  Recent Avg is over the past 5 races.  Tracks Avg is the Average finish (not including 2010) at the remaining 8 tracks (all races).  Wins is wins at the remaining 8 tracks (all races).  I may have punched in a number or two wrong, but they should be relatively accurate.

Driver Points Cutoff Recent Avg Tracks Avg Wins
Denny Hamlin +230 133.6 12.95 6
Kyle Busch +206 101.4 13.69 8
Matt Kenseth +152 108.2 13.41 5
Jeff Burton +149 132.4 18.25 2
Tony Stewart +81 146.2 8.84 18
Greg Biffle +64 117.2 15.19 2
Dale Earnhardt Jr +7 136.8 16.36 7
Carl Edwards 0 113.6 13.56 9
Mark Martin -39 99.2 13.86 14
Clint Bowyer -49 115.6 15.56 1
Ryan Newman -80 108.6 18.16 5
Kasey Kahne -154 130.4 18.78 5
David Reutimann -170 115.6 24.14 0
Joey Logano -173 107.2 20.69 0

Tony Stewart

The first thing that stands out to me looking at this chart is Tony Stewart will definitely be a part of the Chase.  He always gets ‘hot’ in the summer months, and this year looks to be no exception.  He’s third, behind Harvick and Johnson for points over the past 5 races.  He also has by far the best average finish and most wins at the remaining regular season tracks. 

Denny Hamlin

Denny Hamlin looks to be in a solid enough position to hold down the 6th spot in the post season.  He has a large cushion, a solid average and wins at a number of the tracks left on the schedule.  His weakest race left is this coming weekend at Chicagoland Speedway and he still averages a top 20 finish there.

Kyle Busch

Kyle Busch has been ‘struggling’ of late, which has taken him out of the ‘absolutes’ group and forced us to take a look at where he stacks up against the rest of the cut off group.  He’s been out front, and leading laps, but hasn’t been getting the finishes.  He has average finishes of 12th or better at 4 of the remaining tracks though, including a 6.0 at Richmond.  I’d be surprised if he’s not locked in and going for ‘bonus’ points there.

Matt Kenseth

Despite the much discussed lack of speed in the Ford camp, Matt Kenseth has been his usual consistent self, racking up decent finishes and putting himself in a position to compete for a championship.  He’s behind only Stewart and Hamlin for average finish, with only 1 track being outside of a 15th average finish.  I’ll give him the nod as well.

Jeff Burton

Jeff Burton looks to have a solid cushion with close to 200 points on 13th and has run well of late.  That said, I’m not completely sold on his chances to make it in.  200 points over 8 races is 25 points per race.  That’s anywhere between 5 and 8 positions per race.  There’s some solid drivers just outside the cutoff that I could see pulling that off.   Burtons chances could be made or broken at The Glen, where he has easily the worst average finish of anyone we’re looking at any track.   Solid finishes at Chicago and Indy would go a long way towards giving him some breathing room at the road course.

Greg Biffle/Carl Edwards

Greg Biffle has been decent as of late (10th of all drivers over past 5) but he hasn’t been up front leading laps, and those bonus points missed out on could come back to haunt him come Richmond.  I think unless Roush gets this FR9 engine figured out, one of Biffle or Carl Edwards is going to come up short and Edwards has better numbers over this stretch, including a couple sub 10th place averages.

Dale Earnhardt Jr

Dale Earnhardt Jr will have to greatly improve his performance on the Indy to Watkins Glen stretch to be a factor in the Championship standings.  He’s averaging a finish of 20th or higher at all 3 tracks, but has been quite successful at the other 5.  His Daytona weekend should give him the confidence needed to make a serious push to stay in the top 12.  I expect him to be the 3rd Hendrick car in the Chase.

Outside Looking In

So that leaves 2 potential spots for those that currently find themselves 13th or lower.  I’d say there’s 3 drivers that have a legitimate shot at finding themselves in those spots.  The first is Mark Martin.  His Chicago through Watkins Glen stats are second to only Tony Stewart, which if he can continue the trend should put him in a good position to play it safe down the stretch.  That would put all 4 Hendrick cars in the Chase…much to the chagrin of a large number of fans.

Kasey Kahne has been money of late (pretty much since it was announced he’d be going to Hendrick Motorsports), and I think we’ll see him make a serious run at the 12th spot, despite being 154 points back currently.  His stats don’t really back it up, as pretty much everyone ahead of him has better numbers.  I’m picking Kasey for strong finishes at both Chicago (3rd in ’09) and Indianapolis (7th in 08 and 09) to get him right back in the thick of things.

If Kahne can’t make up the ground, I think the spot goes to either Burton or Bowyer (unless something ‘clicks’ at Roush as mentioned earlier).  I don’t think Newman, Reutimann or Logano are Chase-worthy this season.  I think Joey is still a season away from being included.  With his continued improvement he should be a factor in 2011.

So that leaves my Chase drivers looking like this: Harvick, Gordon, Johnson, Busch x2, Hamlin, Kenseth, Stewart, Earnhardt, Edwards, Martin, Kahne.  Ten of the twelve currently inside the cutoff will remain there.

I’ll be back after a few races to re-visit the issue, and take a look at how things are shaping up with my expectations.  Feel free to leave your thoughts, whether you agree or disagree in the comments.  Let me know who you think the 12 Chasers will be.